The Moreno Bonilla government authorizes 89 million for private health

The Andalusian government will finance the contracts by finger and without advertising with private health with funds that, in large part, are detained from the Andalusian Health Service (SAS).

Hopefully there is no lack of money for all the paraphernalia that our disease needs.

This is not proselytism .It is only information available on the network that I consider interesting for us.

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I do not see the problem, it is to support the surgical waiting list, 🤔🤔 or you think someone gives something !!

Andrespmat said:
I don't see the problem, it is to support the surgical waiting list, 🤔🤔 or you think someone gives something!

If you do not see a problem in subtracting the money destined to finance medicines and give it to private clinics to do the same work that social security hospitals already do it will not be me who tells you what is wrong.Above all, having to pay for services that already makes the public health of Spain, which I remember was one of the best in the world before corrupt politicians began to say goodbye, closing health centers, groading professionals with draconian guardsand with Third World conditions to have the perfect excuse to sell that health to their friends and take a part.

I give you another example: Sevillana of electricity, the government company of the Government was sold to a private company and that is why we are paying the light at the price of gold, so that the Board of Shareholders of that company can go on vacation, buy yachts and payluxuries

Another example: the municipal water management has always been in charge of the municipalities, but from a time at this time that service is also being sold to private companies.Casually the receipt has shot because it is not the same to pay for a basic service to the City Council, which looks for the well -being of the neighbors, than to pay for that service to a private company that what they want are benefits instead of serving.In fact, FCC Aqualia has lowered the pressure to my entire town because the City Council does not want to pay a demential climb that they have scheduled for this year.

But if you do not see problem, go ahead.

P.S.I don't understand what you wanted to say with "you think";Here I am alone.: |

@Thc but what are you telling me !!This is like a company hires someone external to help you do a job to finish before you understand it!It is as if your company sees that you do not finish a job and hire an autonomous to help you !!It is to give more speed to the waiting list in surgery !!

Since you are alone !!I clarify it !!You seem to those who are against the world and everyone wants to fool you, clarified !!

And don't put me more examples, you better convince yourself and not tell me how to understand things, hala have good day !!

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@thc but what are you telling me !!This is like a company hires someone external to help you do a job to finish before you understand it!It is as if your company sees that you do not finish a job and hire an autonomous to help you !!It is to give more speed to the waiting list in surgery !!

Since you are alone !!I clarify it !!You seem to those who are against the world and everyone wants to fool you, clarified !!

And don't put me more examples, you better convince yourself and not tell me how to understand things, hala that you have a good day !!

That example is not good, but since you do not want them to give you to you to the rest of the people, so I have no problems.

I already give another example: an institute with good facilities, materials and professionals.
A party, a councilor, or a corrupt minister is responsible for education and leaves the institute without attending, says goodbye to the workforce and forces those who remain to increase the rats of the classes.
Then that same party, councilor or minister says that this institute is giving very bad service and that students must be diverted to a concerted center.He will have done the concert, to take something below the blanket, as Javier Fernández-Lasquetty did in Madrid.

In Granada they wanted to do the same, but Spiriman took the entire city to the street to demonstrate so that corrupt politicians did not sell health.And he did it 3 times.And the corrupt had to give in to the neighborhood pressure.

But as I say, I am not telling you but the rest of the people so that they are more careful with what they vote, do not be left without medicines or without social security directly.

Tips I sell that I don't have for me !!

Andrespmat said:
I don't see the problem, it is to support the surgical waiting list, 🤔🤔 or you think someone gives something!

Andalusia is the laboratory for the privatization of health in Spain.This money is to make contracts in the private.They do not hire in the public because according to them there is no money.

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Andalusia is the laboratory for the privatization of health in Spain.This money is to make contracts in the private.They do not hire in the public because according to them there is no money.

That's how it is.In fact, the Spaniards have to work more every year to be able to give the corrupt of all administrations and all the ladder of the administration their 40,000 million euros a year.And I don't say it.It is information from the EFE news agency.

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Corruption is so widespread that it is not only allowed and consent but that the same corrupt punish those who complain.
And if you don't believe me, ask Pablo Casado.

I am worried about my illness and therefore I also worry that the money we pay with our taxes to receive a free health, pay the medications and investigate for the progress in their treatments is not lost, take it away or give it to your friends.

Diabetics in Andalusia are no longer entitled to a review of the view per year as it has always been (eye bottom).Now luckily they send you a retinography, which is a photo of the retina (it makes it Pepa, a TCAE) and it will be seen by a doctor, who is not a specialist in ophthalmology and vera if it is necessary to send you to the ophthalmologist.

In Madrid it is privatized and is luxurious.
I go by the private part with the regional agreement, they treat me quickly and very well.
I do not pay autonomic taxes, the Community of Madrid removed them.
In Castilla La Mancha they are starting to do to give better attention and reduce lists.
And I disagree that we had/we have good social security and education, it was always a bully.Starting from the base that are "officials";They have strength and ride strikes every two by three.

@Ruthbia you are more right than a saint !! 😜🤗

ruthbia said:
in Madrid is privatized and luxury.
I go by the private part with the regional agreement, they treat me quickly and very well.
I do not pay autonomic taxes, the Community of Madrid removed them.
In Castilla La Mancha they are starting to do to give better attention and reduce lists.
And I disagree that we had/we have good social security and education, it was always a bully.Starting from the base that are "officials";They have strength and ride strikes every two by three.

Well, Madrid people think something very different.
I don't know who to believe: if at 30,000 people who demonstrated in favor of the defense of public health or you.

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To ask who to believe, ask who the Madrid vote first ... and the Andalusians

It is not bad that 30,000 of the 7 million that the community of Madrid has

We always go behind the USA.
Look what medical insurance costs there ... and they are franchise.
And as a good business, they don't want sick people.
Inform you because that is our future if we do not prevent it.

Caramba, I read your reactions and remain totally patidifuso.
I thought that health is a basic right to the Spaniards, that we pay it with our taxes, that the demonstrations of the healthmen complaining about the privatizations and the conditions that impose them as an excuse must serve to alert the population and that, byTherefore, his defense in the first and ultimately should be the fundamental work of all citizens, especially of the sick who have no money to go to private health when they boycott access to the public from the same institutions.

But I see that the sick, at least most of this forum think that it is preferable to go to private health and that the defense of the public does not deserve the effort.

If this is so, I am more here.

Greetings to all.

P.S.I am not a sorcerer to guess the future.Nor is it that makes me seeing how diabetics are in the United States, a paradigm of economic liberalism and health business.

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Health is public in Madrid, nobody pays even if they serve you privately.
They misrepresent politicians and unions.

But there are many officials who do not want to work and only live from extra "services".
Now they consider eliminating the emergency guards, because doctors have already complained to stop receiving 1000eur/ month.
Work in the afternoon, no, only if you consider extra service and pay twice.

Well, I work by the game and I do not pay extra the afternoon.

The strike in Madrid is over as soon as they were paid what they wanted, all for the pasta, that is medicine in Spain.

A thousand times I prefer the German or French model before, to the Swiss that is 100%private.

@Thc
I believe that we are here we defend public health, among other things because we are chronic patients and it suits us.
Another thing is that we agree with the government or what we think about concerts with private ones.
We must not do a world that we think different because that will always be so and all opinions are respectable.It's like diabetes, each one is doing well.

Make some points
1. The doctors are not officials, we are statutory, the regime is similar to that of the official, there are many similar things but others who are not, in fact when they are interested, we are officials and when not, we are not.
2. Each private company has its agreement.According to the service that they provide they have tomorrow's time or afternoon schedule alone, or at night or party shift.In our case the main schedule is from 8 to 3 and there is a mandatory afternoon of 1 to 8 (I speak of Andalusia) sometimes two according to the center and on Fridays are rotary, when you make three afternoons a week, that third does notThey pay, you are paid maximum 2. The complement in the afternoons is ridicule, I think they are € 20 for every afternoon.
3. The base salary of a doctor is € 1120, I imagine that in Madrid and in the north it will be much more, in Andalusia it is one of the areas with lower salaries, what rises the salary are the accessories, the geographical dispersion, theTrienios that you have and some more, if not, with a mileurist salary, after the years of training, specialty, various oppositions, responsibility that we have and multiple brown that we eat daily, it would be to hit a shot.Therefore, for those who make guards, the guards complement is an important plus.Now, it seems to me that it depends on where the guards are made.It is not the same a hospital psychiatrist that an internist that a primary doctor in a rural area away from the hospital.A psychiatrist can perfectly make a 24 -hour guard are not bad guards, but an internist or a family doctor, or an emergency door of a hospital (who are usually almost all family doctors), is a pass of hours,of work and is inhuman.I have signed I have agreed to leave the shifts, but of course, I would have to pay those shifts well, if they are going to pay you at € 12 or less as they paid me, it is not of receipt.That charged years ago, the cleaners who came to my house to lend a hand, that the profession is very worthy but does not have the responsibility and training that I have.Nor eat the brown that like me.We have to pay people well, we do not live from the air or we are an NGO, we are people like anyone and it seems that we are dedicated to the health of others, we must work for free and if we ask for decent salaries, it is only that we only think of themoney.
4. You have to invest in public health and the budget that there is cannot go to private to the detriment of the public, that is clear.Another thing are gynecological reviews or minor things that quickly go to a private one.But that already on your own.It is clear that for it, better the public.My husband is not a sanitary but works related to hospitals and enters Quirofano and sometimes a nurse's money has been saved and he has been helping the traumatologist in surgery
of hip prosthetic in a private and has no health training.
All health spending should improve public health, it is my opinion, pay professionals well and give them decent contracts and adequate care time, so people would not go out and there would be enough personnel, but since it is not so, theProfessionals leave and there will be real problems in some specialties within anything, there are already them and I don't know what will happen.
If I agree that there can be no abuse and there are users who abuse the system and then pay fair for sinners and saturate the services.For those users who abuse, I do agree that they should pay a plus, this excessive abuse is not receipt.

Well, even today there are many people charging at € 12, that is the bad thing that the one who has a career, it is believed that that is why he has to win more than others, the toilets care about a m… .. the sick, theStrikes that do only do them exclusively for money and there are a lot of people doing 10 hours per thousand euros and that of the base salary of € 1120 is like that of politicians is also 1800 or 2000 but then the accessories rises to 6000, I do not knowNo doctor who wins € 1120 unless it is in practices like every neighbor's son when he is being formed, I am also a supporter of public health but someone controls the staff is a doctor, nurse or whatever, as long as he is paid withMoney of the administration, when you make a strike you encourage people who are for the sake of the sick and most of how they do what the neighbor sees, post to support you, you only do it for you and San money only and exclusively!And you talk about abuse, you do not know what abuse at work is, you have no idea what abuse is.
Oh and if you are so bad in public health, it is easy to go to private !!But I don't see any that getting fixed place leaves, you grab it as if you were tied to the chair