Low carbohydrate diets could help people with type 1 diabetes (study)

@"Yesssica_a", I always read your contributions on the lowcarb diet.And I was doubtful .... Surely you have to make many meals!Jo, seeing your diet today I feel fat.Greetings.

@"Solaria" that goes, I am rarely hungry for hours.It is the good thing about the protein and fat, which they sat down for many hours.And that as a lot of quantity especially at dinner, which after training I arrive hungry.
Anyway I have never made the 5 meals that always tell you, but before I ate something in the middle of the morning.But now having breakfast eggs, I am no longer hungry and not as anything.I also make a 16 -hour fast and jump breakfast.On the weekends that I get up later, I normally not breakfast unless I go to the mountain and endure well until eating, with having a coffee I only get.And coffee is more for vice hehehe

@"Luvi" @"maritxu22" comment erased and I will expel the user right now, what a jeta!:))

Dear Running50:
What is normal for you?

begoirina7515 said:

sherpa41 said:
This of the very low diets in carbohydrates for dm1 seems a bit like going to the doctor because your arm hurtsRaise it and that this tells you, "Well, don't lift it."

Pussy then it is easier to adjust the insulin dose if you do not eat hardly HC.And if you are all day eating only lettuce, surely or live 100 years or you think.And if you die (disgust or whatever) it will still be easier for you to control sugar.

The question believed it was to try to make life as "normal" possible.

Estimated Jessica:
The low carbohydrate diet is very good, but, like everyone else, the diabetics are addicted to carbohydrates and everything that goes against eating non -carbohydrates bothers us.

Yesssica_a said:
For those who are interested in seeing the full study is here:

Link

Who does not know English, the pediatrician Jorge García-Dihinx makes a very complete analysis of the content in his blog Lameteoquevene.Look for "a better handling of type 1 diabetes with a very low carbohydrate diet".

Thanks Yesssica_a for the link.

I totally agree that a low -CH diet helps you maintain the most stable glucose levels.Any diabetic can experience it in your body.The probability of hitting the amount of insulin to inject is greater, (including in this the counting, the sensitivity to insulin at that time, the way of injected, etc.) and if there is error, neither the rise nor the descentIt is as strong as when large amounts of CH are ingested.

I have a hard time understanding why people believe that a low d diet is a bad diet.I also apply it to most doctors, I hope this is changing for the good of the people who start and is given wrong information that with diabetes you can eat everything.

To get pregnant and during pregnancy it is highly recommended glycosilades between 4.5 and 6. I could only reach this with a low cho diet where the Russian mountains of glycemia practically disappear.Despite having Flash pump and measurement.It was then that I realized the mistake we made eating so many daily hydrates.

isma said:
estimated Jessica:
The low carbohydrate diet is very good, but, like everyone else, the diabetics are addicted to carbohydrates and everything that goes against eating non -carbohydrates bothers us
Do not break, that we are going for the hills of Ubeda.It has already been commented that each one does what they want, but be careful to sell something as very good because it works or controls the relationship less hydrates/exercise and insulin, because in the end there will be some post of someone who hashad a serious problem.As soon as you mix less hydrates such as not eating hydrates.The intake of x% of hydrates in a healthy or healthy eating is as old as the piss.All these enlightened Dukan, Bernstein, etc. of which they do not contribute anything sustainable scientist, apart from the fact that their studies in case of doing them are determined in an insignificant percentage of people and that in fact then one disaggregates or advise against the other of the other.I am not in favor of using insulin to be able to eat whatever I please, I am not to eat bad hydrates either.A balance like everything.Nor does the one who eats many hydrates, nor annoyed the one who eats few, because I don't think anyone can say 0%of hydrates, but it should not be preached like the solution.

Indeed that each one does what he feels best for him, and although I am personally in favor of maintaining low diet in HC only partially, even though I respond very well to these diets, but I do not know if they can have any long -term effect.I know of people who respond very well even to ketone diets but I have always recommended that they alternate periods of these diets with normal periods.Anyway, to the Neolithic that cereal began to be cultivated, man obtained the precisely the energy from the flesh, since then we have genetically adapted to take advantage of the HC in a cleaner and efficient way to obtain energy, despite the fact that it seemsthat there are still people who can efficiently take advantage of both HC and proteins.
Hello @"isma" I don't understand the question

Dear Running50:
When you talk about "leading a normal life", what do you mean with a normal life?, Normal life for you, him, me?

Dear Running50:
Fructose, alcohol and sugar affect everyone.It makes them obese, other hypertensive, others with arthritis, others with high uric acid or cholesterol, and others with diabetes;We are not all the same.

Hello @"isma", to say that a type 1 diabetic leads a normal life is not entirely correct, it would be more correct to say that, in the best case, it leads a normal "almost" life in appearance because, however much that, inA moment of euphoria, let's say that we can do the same as a normal person, when at night you are in your bed telling carbohydrates to prevent nocturnal hypoglycemia, you realize that not only you can not lead a 100% normal life but to carry itMore similar to a normal person consumes an important amount of physical and mental resources.I can be at a party taking Coca Cola or Fanta apparently like everyone else, but I am already calculating how many extra units of extra you will have to put and when, and that does not have to do a normal person.
And many have diabetes as a result of their way of life, but those of us who are type 1 have touched us in the raffle, and effectively fructose, alcohol and sugar affects people, but not everyoneSimilar, let's say you have more ballots, I personally do not like the fashion phrase that "we are what we eat" because it seems very simplistic, in hypertension, arthritis, cholesterol, diabetes, etcp.eg, apart from food.

I have been valuing the issue of lowering hydrates for a while, because it also seems easier to adjust the fast dose and when I have lowered something, I have improved controls.The problem I have is that I do not hard anything, that is, it does not happen much until I begin to notice really exhausted, I cannot hardly exercise, and I feel "forced" again to increase hydrates.Which does not find the way to carry it out.

Has anyone who follows it?How does it solve it?

It is not that it makes me very funny hydrates, but everything is because of good control ... I don't know what to think.

@"Tyler" I drop progressively and did not notice any rare symptom but I know any case of non -diabetics that have tried ketogenic diet and have noticed discomfort and tiredness the first days, then well.In my case I have experienced with cetosis but I do not keep it continuously.I have never noticed discomfort or tiredness but the first days can be noticed depending on the person.There are people who adapt very well and others do not.
If there are a number of things to take into account when you lower the hydrates a lot, you have to drink more water and leave the first days, until the body adapts more ketone bodies than necessary and are eliminated by the urine, byWhat you can have a slight dehydration if you don't drink more water.Sales are also lost for the same reason.Normally that is the cause of the unpleasant symptoms that most people notice.Read something about ketogenic diets or adaptation to cetosis that explains it well (in the revolutionary fittness blog there is a lot of information).
Anyway, I would recommend that you do not reduce hydrates so much and to be in cetosis always and less suddenly.The best thing is that you gradually reduce the hydrates so that the body adapts slowly.I did it that way and I don't know if it was for that or that but it went well.Now when I make 24 -hour fasts or lower the hydrates some days I do not notice any difference and I have energy the same as when as more hydrate.But well after the time I take my body, it will be used to using glucose or fat and change from one problems without problems.

How long have you tried?How many hydrate were more or less ate day before and after?What kind of exercise do you do?

Thanks @"Yesssica_a".What I notice is basically that, fatigue, lack of energy, cold and headache.I had no intention of necessarily in ketosis, simply lowering rations, moderately.Perhaps I have not been patient in persisting a bit, but as soon as I get up to the amount of portions that I was used to, I find myself well.I must say that I am very sensitive to the changes and they affect me a lot.

So I have only tried a few days, let's say that I have given him few attempts, it costs me.I am used to taking 23 rations a day, 7-8-8 according to breakfast-food-cena.I am 23 years old and I usually walk a lot and make spinning bike intensity (half an hour if I have walked a lot, or an hour if I am not going to move so much).I suppose that by exercise and age it is logical that I need hydrate.When I have dropped in specific meals I have not noticed great change, but when 3-4 meals are already taking 4 CH instead of 7-8, because there already accuses it.

yesssica_a said:
@"tyler" I drop progressively and did not notice any rare symptom but I know some case of non -diabetics that have tried ketogenic diet and have noticed discomfort and tiredness the first days,Then well.In my case I have experienced with cetosis but I do not keep it continuously.I have never noticed discomfort or tiredness but the first days can be noticed depending on the person.There are people who adapt very well and others do not.
If there are a number of things to take into account when you lower the hydrates a lot, you have to drink more water and leave the first days, until the body adapts more ketone bodies than necessary and are eliminated by the urine, byWhat you can have a slight dehydration if you don't drink more water.Sales are also lost for the same reason.Normally that is the cause of the unpleasant symptoms that most people notice.Read something about ketogenic diets or adaptation to cetosis that explains it well (in the revolutionary fittness blog there is a lot of information).
Anyway, I would recommend that you do not reduce hydrates so much and to be in cetosis always and less suddenly.The best thing is that you gradually reduce the hydrates so that the body adapts slowly.I did it that way and I don't know if it was for that or that but it went well.Now when I make 24 -hour fasts or lower the hydrates some days I do not notice any difference and I have energy the same as when as more hydrate.But well after the time I take my body, it will be used to using glucose or fat and change from one problems without problems.

How long have you tried?How many hydrate were more or less ate day before and after?What kind of exercise are you doing?

People continue to indoctrinate, with a peace of mind and very happily, encouraging and instructing any foolish to prove how Moses was preaching the word and work of the Lord and you have no titration or preparation beyond you have on the Internet.It seems good to me that it is debated or talked about and not restrict the HC or that within that reduction some that may not be assimilated well are suppressed.But talking about doing or advising making ketone or ketogenic diets is already being able to cause health damage.To say that the ketone or ketogenic diets are as old as piar, for whom it has been regular of gym, you will know that such diets and use in bodybuilding no more than 15 days, since apart from burning fat causes dehydration something that causes a muscleCleaner and more marked muscle fibers, but as I say it is done by people who are supervised by nutritionists and sports doctors, there have yet been calamities and even causing death.What I mean is that for a non -diabetic, performing such extremes can become harmful the more in us that, no matter how good gycade or control we have we have a degeneration caused by the years of evolution, that is the case we want toor not.However, I am stunning that it also is good to make 24 -hour fasts, as I have said each one is free to do what they want, as if they want to try to inject water insulin, but do so in a way that anyone reads itAnd say, how this person does it also seems like a sanitary attack.I do not want to extend more commented consequences of doing this kind of things and diets.What I would ask for, is that you have much more rigor when it comes to inducing third parties to prove or do something, without being titled and much less responsible when there is a health risk.Thank you

@"Luvi" totally agree with you.I have had the occasional "hooked" in quotes with some that other forum for this type of issues and put it in quotes because each one we are very free to comment and share what can be better orWorse without taking into account people who can be on the other side of the computer screen with the danger that it entails since it is a health problem, let's not forget.I have repeated cages of times that we are very given to "change and guide" bowling, basal, food, types of insulin etc etc and I understand that all this from the goodwill of each with the danger of hypers and hypos (severe) thatThis entails .. and not so much with adults (which also) that I think we are but when fathers and mothers are guided more for what they read here than for what their specialist has scheduled for their children with diabetes, they give me chills onlyTo think about it.-

@"Luvi" We have very different opinions regarding this issue but I am not indoctrinating anyone, I just give my opinion and talk about my experience.He has asked a question and I have answered him based on my experience, which is what is done in this forum for everything.But of course when someone is advised about changes in medication without being a doctor, nothing happens but when you do it on food and you do not go in the line of what the majority thinks.Anyway, I am not going to argue about this with you, I am already very tired of having to justify myself.
If you read my comment you will see that I have told you that I do not advise you to make a cetogenesis diet first because it is very restrictive and difficult to maintain and second because you do not need to lower the hydrates so much to have good controls.But with which he has put quite well with the typical symptoms of the first days of these diets, so I have commented in case it was his case.
I also go to the gym and see the follies that people and many bodybuilders do in addition to diets also take other substances, the same is why someone dies.
The fast I have not put it as good or as bad, I comment because there is a huge fear that if you do not eat when the clock tells you something will happen to you and it makes no sense.Like when I'm hungry and if one day I leave comilona and at most then I am not hungry for dinner and not dinner, I get up late the next day and without hunger and not breakfast and they are 24 hours without eating and nothing happens.It is not that I am doing fascinates like this, if I'm hungry like and if I don't have it.What seems like crazy is having to eat without hunger because the clock tells you that it is time to eat.
And I don't read anything on the Internet, tense enough criteria to know what is reliable and what is not.What Leo are scientific studies and blog and books written by doctors, nutritionist or people with sufficient training.

tyler said:
thanks @"Yesssica_a".What I notice is basically that, fatigue, lack of energy, cold and headache.I had no intention of necessarily in ketosis, simply lowering rations, moderately.Perhaps I have not been patient in persisting a bit, but as soon as I get up to the amount of portions that I was used to, I find myself well.I must say that I am very sensitive to the changes and they affect me a lot.

So I have only tried a few days, let's say that I have given him few attempts, it costs me.I am used to taking 23 rations a day, 7-8-8 according to breakfast-food-cena.I am 23 years old and I usually walk a lot and make spinning bike intensity (half an hour if I have walked a lot, or an hour if I am not going to move so much).I suppose that by exercise and age it is logical that I need hydrate.When I have dropped in specific meals I have not noticed great change, but when 3-4 meals are already taking 4 CH instead of 7-8, because there already accuses it.

Because of the rations you eat, they cannot be cetosis symptoms, they are not so low as to reach cetosis (they are usually needed to get off the 50gr of hydrate per day for that).I would not know how to tell you why you are like that but it could be because of the sudden change to go down to half a blow.If you still want to try what I would do is go down progressively, you are reducing 1 or 2 portions in each meal and wait a few days or a couple of weeks to see how you are.So surely your body gets used to and do not notice discomfort.And you see how much you can go down without finding yourself badly and you get good controls.It is not a matter of lowering hydrate for going down, the goal is to achieve stable glycemia within your target range.Each person achieves it with amounts and restricting or not some things or others.For example, legume and fruit I have not eliminated them because I control them well but there are people who eliminate them because they make it peak.As there are no 2 equal bodies because there is no other to try.
I would also experience what foods they produce peak and which not and take away those that give you peak and replace with others that do not give you.Among those who have enough hydrate but they usually control quite well are the legumes, the quinoa, some people tolerate very small amounts of some whole grains, ... just in your case only with lowering the rations a little and changing the type offood improvements.

And another thing that I did not tell you but that is important is that if you take away hydrate you will have to put protein and/or fat to maintain the weight, if you remove hydrate and do not change it for anything you will lose weight and find yourself without strength because you are missing fuel.The protein cannot be uploaded much so if you already eat enough you can go up fat, yes of the good ones.The natives of food (meat, fish, eggs and dairy), olive oil, avocado, nuts, coconut, ... and it is not a matter of eating fat like crazy.It has many calories and then you get to what you need, if you reduce HC rations because it puts some food with more fat in that meal, throw some more oil to salads or cooking, eat a handful of nuts between hours between hours between hours, ... with fat immediately, calories are filled, little by that you climb you already arrive.
What I do is put a lot of vegetables, a protein fountain (meat, fish, egg or legume) and cook everything with a good virgin olive oil.And then if I do not put full legume with some fruit or with a natural yogurt (not skimmed), nuts ... depends on the day, I vary everything I can.But in my case I limit the hydrates, you could put many more things.
And if you see that to do sports you lack forces limited less food hydratesprior to playing sports.I have not noticed problems but the same, each one is different for this.I usually increase hydrate after playing sport instead to replace glycogen but with me with a fruit at dinner it already comes to me.I do late in the afternoon and not as nothing before eating time unless I arrive with a bit fair glucose.But my training is more anaerobic, aerobic does not usually make a lot of intensity, someday something of Hiit but normally soft cardio at the end of training or nothing.For spinning you need to take some more hydrate before, I don't know how to tell you because I have never tried spinning.

Well, really thanks @"Yesssica_a".The truth is that intention to enter cetosis I do not have, the only thing I am looking for is to improve controls.For that I will look at what makes me more peak/damage and gradually change without it being abrupt.I will also take into account the fats to maintain the energy contribution (the same in that was also failing and it is the reason why I noticed that "lack" of energy and fuel).

With the bicycle then I notice that I am going down all night, so the rations of the dinner can be kept without problems.This is a matter of adjusting little by little and looking at small changes.
Notes if with the fats, even if they are good, you raise your glucose for hours?Thank you very much and take note of everything.:) :) :)

On the other hand I want to say that I feel the crossing of positions that have been.To say that I have been the one who has asked advice, and therefore I assume every step I take and do not hold anyone but me.I do not think it is indoctrinar, simply each one embodies his opinion and each one is responsible for what he does.No one has told me how I have to do anything, they are only experiences of each one, in these things I always go very carefully and considering that we all react differently to each change we make.But it is a space I believe that to comment and try to help, nobody has said that what it is worth for everyone, but clarifying that this is what works for that person and as a personal contribution.Then each one is responsible for his life and to do what makes him better.If I see that it is difficult for me, adjusting little by little (worse I will not go).And really that everything is learned and I always appreciate the contributions and help of fatigue companions on this subject.

@"Tyler" to me the fats I have not noticed that they upload me but the theme of the fats is not that they upload the glucose is that they delay the absorption of hydrates.The problem is usually in high fats in fat and hydrates and I do not do those.Mine have fat but very little hydrate.If ever that as pizza or things of the style I need double insulin dose, one before eating and another at 3 hours or so.But well I only do it on specific days when I have a dinner out so I don't have it controlled either.I'm running when I see that I go up in the free and voila.How are specific days I don't worry much.
And the theme breakfast is normal, it is the most difficult food.I control it having breakfast almost without hydrates.I take eggs with avocado or cheese and I do not rise from 120 at any time.But if I get out of there it is already complicated.In the Free I have seen that it starts to get on when I get up even though it does not eat anything and if I add hydrate it is already impossible to avoid the peak.The weekend that sometimes not breakfast, I even have to put something quick when I wake up or end in 150.
You can try to play with the waiting times since you put insulin until you start eating to see if it improves.

And do not worry about the crossing of positions because that comes from before and I am already used to it.In this forum they have told me several times in style, do not worry.

There is peace, please, and above all we read with understanding.
I do not believe that, in this case, no one is recommending or 24 -hour fast or ketogenic diets, I have the feeling that sometimes we read more thinking about what we are going to answer that in what we are really reading and I also include myself.Here each one talks about their personal experience, nobody is indoctrinating or selling miraculous priests so we are a little more lax that costs us anything.