"They had never discriminated me for being diabetic until I wanted to oppose"

"It was the first time in my life that I felt discriminated to being diabetic."Carmen was 27 years old and perfectly remembers the first day class, and the last one, who went to an academy to prepare an opposition to the body of assistants of penitentiary institutions.

"The teacher told us that to access the square there were some medical exceptions and one of them was diabetes. I could not believe it, I work as a social educator, I am a dance in my free time and never the diabetes has prevented me from doing anything"This young woman points out.

Diabetics cannot access administration positions such as Metro blockbusters, prison officials, firefighters or police.

The Spanish Federation asks the Government for this pathology to cease to be a general reason for exclusion in the oppositions and each case is evaluated individually.

If diabetes is detected after having approved the oppositions, those affected keep their position."Since I was diagnosed with the disease I take care of me more," explains a diabetic firefighter.

From the Federation of Spanish Diabetics they explain that this pathology is a medical exclusion in some positions of the public administration.This is the case of police, civil guards, firefighters, subway blockbusters in Madrid, prison or military officials."They cannot sit or take the exam. For that requirement, six million people are discriminated against, the number of diabetics in our country," says the president of the organization, Andoni Lorenzo.In some cases they are orders published in the BOE, as in the case of the National Police.But it also occurs in autonomous communities and municipalities when oppositions are convened.For example, they are excluded in the Mossos d'Esquadra exam.

Diabetes occurs when the body cannot generate enough insulin or cannot use it effectively, this hormone acts as a key that allows cells to absorb glucose and use it as energy.

"Each diabetic is a case, we are not all the same," says Daniel Villar, a firefighter who has been working in Logroño for 15 years.He was diagnosed with diabetes four years ago, when he was already within the fire extinguishing body."Now I am better than before: I take care of my diet, not as fast food or industrial pastries."He was discharged during the months in which this pathology made an appearance, but ensures that once treated he has had no problem.

"The experience has helped me to calibrate physical wear. You have to win the game to hypoglycemia. In long and demanding outputs I usually take carbohydrates of carbohydrates," says this athlete who in his free time is trained to run tests50 kilometers in the mountain.

Daniel Villar, firefighter and diabetic

The Federation considers that these types of cases demonstrate that they can occupy the positions that do not allow access to diagnosed diabetics.In addition, they emphasize that if a patient takes care of and controls his insulin he can lead a life similar to that of a walking citizen.That is why they defend an alternative model by which this pathology ceases to be "general reason for exclusion" and the cases are valued individually."We do not understand that we cannot be prison officials and yes neurosurgeon," Lorenzo continues.

"It is an exclusion that has always been there. In its favor I have to say that 50 years ago it was a complex pathology," adds the president of the federation that is critical because this criterion has not been reviewed in recent decades.For example, in the case of oppositions to the National Police Corps, the regulations dating from 1988. Like this pathology, liver cirrhosis, complete deafness, epilepsy or schizophrenia are also exclusive.

According to theCoordinator of the Diabetes Mellitus Working Group of the Spanish Society of Endocrinology, Rebeca Reyes, "each case should be valued individually" since "the tools to control diabetes have improved.""Since the diagnosis of this pathology in a public employee does not imply the decline in their position, it does not seem logical that this disease does prevent access to public function," concludes Reyes.

"Diabetes is not a disability"

Carmen initiated a request for signatures at Change.org for the Ministry of Health to review this criterion, since she did not want to deal with the economic disbursement of a judicial process.For his part, Alan (fictional name) decided to take his case to the courts in 2012 when he was excluded from the selection process for head of lobby of the Madrid Metro for having diabetes.

Three years later, justice has proved him right.The Superior Court of Justice of Madrid has forced this public company to hire the young man, since the magistrates argue that diabetes "does not have the legal consideration of disability" and, therefore, that criterion of exclusion "lacks any justification"

"With good education, job stability is maintained"

The spokesman of the Federation Ta Mpoco considers that, in itself, it is "an disabled pathology.""A proper diabetological education and correct treatment will allow the diabetic worker to maintain their work activity, notwithstanding that periods of temporary work disability in case of acute complications or metabolic decompensations," they point out in the article coordinated by Dr. Mª Teofila Vicente- Herrero and in which several endocrine and professionals specialized in Occupational Medicine participated, published in the specialized magazine Advances in Diabetology.

In this article they explain that "high levels of blood glucose can cause hunger, thirst, headache, blurred vision, frequently urinating, dry skin and itching and, if no treatment is received for some time, diabetic ketoacidosis,that can cause difficulties to breathe, coma, and even death. "

NLP against this criterion

At the end of 2015, the claim of these diabetics came to Congress, the PSOE presented a non -law proposition (NLP) in the Health and Social Services Commission for which the Government urged that this pathology ceased to be "General reason for exclusion"With the dissolution of the Congress and the call of elections the NLP expired and was not discussed."As soon as there is a new executive we return to the burden, we want article 14 of the Constitution to be a reality and not be discriminated against by being diabetic," concludes the president.

Unfortunately it is so.The last thing I have felt in my "own meats", was when he went to renew the driving card, 5 years instead of 10 for diabetes.The worst thing I saw is that unlike the view, that they usually do the vision test, or the test of reflexes, here they do not request any document, nor do evidence or anything, but they do cut you in half (Or they double the price for having diabetes for those who do not have it, since you have to renew twice as much times) the cards of card to the new renewal.

I can't tell me that I have diabetes.It would be equivalent to work death.

I am outraged with this issue.

It outrages me as much as I depress me thinking about the future of my daughter ......

It is a bit worrying.

I have barely thought about it.I have been with a non -stop doctors since September and, although I imagine that this is relatively passenger and the issue will calm down, how do you play work and the needs of diabetes (doctors, etc ...)?

@Pike I in my case have always asked that my endocrine had visits in the afternoon, I was avoided to have to miss doctors, but you can't always.Also in my case, that I am living far from the family or acquaintances, it has been difficult for me not to miss by strips or for the bomb material, because for that there are specific schedules and you cannot send anyone to do the favor.
In the end he influenced the luck and knowing how to ask, because he does not already have it.Sometimes you find PEJA people in the hospital that leaves you to look for it out of time and other times they don't facilitate anything, the same as work ... and although it may seem complicated, the reality is that nothing isimpossible, everything is a matter of organization

Here a discriminated opponent.Glucose between 70 and 95 the day of the analysis and that give them by c ***, so clear.

Each case should be studied separately, nor all yes, not all.Of course, it is incompatible to claim this and then ask for disability and pay.You have to adopt a posture.I have mine clear.

Diabetes is a disease that requires a lot of self -control.And this is a very large difference with other serious and chronic diseases.I think as @Artorias, in relation to adults at least.I am more interested than MCG, bombs were easier to obtain and so I think a person could develop these jobs in which we are currently discriminated (and more seeing how some in these positions are, they are fat, I want to say, of course).And of course, perhaps the issue of being a combat pilot may make sense, but prison officer?Metro blockbusters in Madrid?Put fines on the street?It's a joke.I also don't want disability or pay.On the other hand, I don't think it is viable, given the number of Spaniards with diabetes (if we include type 2).

I am one of those who think there is fighting to make the best treatments accessible, so that a person with diabetes can have the same opportunities as someone healthy.In particular, this last month I have passed Free Style and the improvement is unquestionable.At the psychological level, and as far as this thread is concerned, especially at the control level.I have only had some hypo (1 or 2) slight when sleeping throughout the month.And I suppose people who have the Dexcom because it will be much better.If you are Poli, you put the alarm at 100 during the service and when you take the hydrates that touch and make the round.

What there is no right that there are civil guard, local police, national police and other bodies to which we have restricted the access they have so much overweight that are unable to take 10 steps running and they do not force them to take care of themselves.They prevented me from entering the Civil Guard.
What happens is shameful.

I am reading this post and a doubt arises: when I took the driving license I did not say that I had diabetes (the truth is that I did not even realize).For what they put me to renew it in 10 years, in 2019. I bother me a lot that discriminate against us and have to pay every 5 years ... I wonder if in 2019 when I renew it I tell you that I have diabetes, you knowIf there is any type of penalty x not to have said it before?Because if there is, I don't say it and that I save myself ...

@Maritxu22 very good question, we have discussed it a lot, but there is no clear conclusion, I recommend that you read this topic:

https://www.diabetesforo.com/discusion/7454/duda-moral-carnet-de-canduce-renovacion

Moral Doubt Driving Card.Renewal.
Hello colleagues,

I have a moral question and I don't know how to solve it.I expose it to know what you think.

Soon I must renew my driving license for the first time since I am diabetic and I k...

We have a clear and evident disability (no matter how optimism that many put it, it is the truth).
There are many things that we cannot do (that is not bad ... for example, I cannot buy a Lamborghini like Ronaldo, we are different), but there are things that we can do and do not leave us.For me that would not be discrimination, if they automatically recognize you, while denying you, the legal disability to be able to opt, for example, to certain places assigned as such.

The problem is that the diabetic is in a limbo (now) ... They tell you that if you have disabilities (I have it, but I do not reach 33%, that is, it is a palmadita and to Jod ....) But that recognitionIt does not give you anything, however, you are denied job possibilities (as if we were already left over) claiming that "you cannot" (they themselves contradict them, since you have "little" disability, but at the same time, much, so much as forNot being suitable for certain works, works which do not depend on your capacity, if you simply have the economic means to have a continuous measurement for example, and you would be perfectly suitable), and at the same time that they tell you that "You cannot "opt for certain jobs, do not give you possibilities, for that denial, to compensate to enter others (equality?).

Anyway, they have a mounted Christ, what I do not understand is how organizations do not hire lawyers and enter this ... if you refuse to enter a job because I am incapacitated ... you are automatically recognizing that, thatI am incapacitated (it takes disability).It is a statement after a denial.

I have lived this recently, pretending to get (as hobby, but with professional possibilities) the title of drone operator ... Being diabetic I cannot, it feels.The BOE says it.And they remain so panchos ... consulted and there are no options ... I could claim a continuous meter with what a hiccup is impossible ... I could claim that I have the values ​​close to 200 always (more impossible a hypo) ...It doesn't matter, I can get upside down ...

And I insist, I don't care that these limitations put me ... now yes ... make 33% of disability (at least) that I have, and do not give me 25% that is useless.Fortunate who have 33%..

greetings

I believe that it is not only because of hypoglycemia but because diabetics supposedly have more risk of presenting other diseases than non -diabetic (circulatory, heart disease etc), but come on, what needs to be done is an individual assessment.

I had "luck" and debuted once I had entered, so they can't exclude me anymore.But be careful to shut it up and present themselves to an opposition without saying anything, as they find out that diabetes had before entering, direct expulsion and maybe sanction ....

@eliastp Where do you work?

eliastp said:
care to shut up and present to an oppositions without saying anything, how they find out that diabetes had before entering, direct expulsion and maybe the best sanction ....

Once the position sworn?No.

Royal Legislative Decree 5/2015, of October 30, which approves the consolidated text of the Basic Statute Law of the Public Employee.
Article 63 Causes of loss of the status of career
They are causes of loss of the career status:
a) The resignation of the status of an official.
b) The loss of nationality.
c) The total retirement of the official.
d) The disciplinary sanction of separation from the service that has a firm character.
e) The main or accessory penalty of absolute or special disqualification for public office that has a firm character.

The only thing that fits here to put us for what you say is separation from the service.The separation of the service is due to very serious offenses of the disciplinary regime and is normally competence of the corresponding minister.

I go to the disciplinary regime law of a certain body and names nothing in very serious offenses on having hidden a disease in the opposition phase.

In addition, they can never access my medical history, and if that happens, the data protection is breached.And if I carry a detailed medical report from my endocrine, believe me that the date of my debut will not appear, because they are neither interested nor relevant, and it is private.

As an opponent you are shit and they can throw you from what they want, but once you are a career officer there are some rights and guarantees, and if they are breached there are the courts.

This is like some post in this forum for years, in which poor desperate people asking how to do to oppose, and people telling him not to try, that they were going to do the glycosylated hemoglobin test and peptide C. shameReading it, and on top of Google's first results when looking for information.

I am military, I could introduce myself this year to the Civil Guard for internal promotion (reserving almost 50% of the squares, which some were not covered) and I did not do it for "fear" to lose the current work and the future work.When you present yourself you have a medical exclusions picture, you pass a medical examination and sign a health questionnaire in which you say you have none of the diseases described in the medical picture.If for anything they detect it once the position I imagine that they could expel you for documentary falsehood, etc.Apart, for example, I debuted inside the army, my personal file remains in the unit but by any order that comes from the Civil Guard you can consult it.
@Arotorias I referred to the work of the official in which there is a medical picture of previous exclusions (CNP, GC, local police, firefighters, etc.) not to jobs such as Correos, would you risk losing your current job?.
Of course, if you are in unemployment and you have nothing to lose .... go ahead.
I give you the example of the issue of consultation of the penalty, there are my colleagues who have gotten into very large lios when signing sworn statements that they had no record (necessary not to have them to renew commitment) and then give the case that they had an open trialor even some antecedent ...

But the commitment you comment asks you that requirement, does the issue of maintaining the initial health conditions also ask you?Because if not, in any case they can exclude yourself from participating in an internal promotion if there is a medical exclusion table for internal promotion, but you cannot lose the status of your current position.Come on, I believe that before a court is more than lost, I do not know anyone, something else is that you have to renew the commitment that you say and have a criminal record and on top of the affidavit, we go that is falsify a document, doublemess over.

The same is to falsify a document by saying that you do not have a disease in a medical picture of previous exclusions when you have it.To me to renew I have no problem, I can renew having this disease while passing some physical tests equal to those around the world.