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3 out of 10 diabetics do not accept to suffer from the disease

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Alicia Cedeño Luna, family doctor of the Family Medicine Unit No. 2 of the Mexican Social Security Institute (IMSS) commented that approximately 3 out of 10 diabetics do not accept that they suffer from this disease, which causes them to deteriorate slowly putting theirhealth.

That is why the Institute continues with the Diabetimsss strategy, a program that was created to avoid complications of diabetes such as: neuropathy, nephropathy, heart disease, retinopathy.

Cedeño explained that when there is some suspicion of diabetes, it is detected from the Preveims module, two samples are taken, one of destroxis and another of glucosylated or glucose hemoglobin, to confirm or discard the condition;If these two determinations are above 126, the patient is cataloged as a diabetic

At that time he goes to his office so that he is given a pharmacological treatment that helps him control his illness, but he is also explained that what happens in his body is a pancreatic deficiency of the insulin enzyme that causes this hormonequality, there is little or that is no longer generated in its pancreas.

The Diabetimsss program consists of 12 educational sessions where guidance talks are granted, from the definition of diabetes, myths and realities around the condition and medicines, the dish of good eating, importance of physical activity, difference in hypoglycemia and hyperglycemia,Depression and sexuality.

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It seems to me a pity that the disease is not known.Many times I think about it and I'm glad to have diabetes to any other disease.It is a disease, yes, but the most bearable and simple in the world.With carrying a control, enough not to affect you throughout your life at all.

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04/27/2015 11:11 a.m.
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mandril88 said:
It seems to me a penalty that the disease is not known.Many times I think about it and I'm glad to have diabetes to any other disease.It is a disease, yes, but the most bearable and simple in the world.With carrying a control, enough not to affect you throughout your life at all.

Beer and simple?What disease do you have?:-?

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04/27/2015 11:13 a.m.

En 1922 descubrieron la insulina, en 1930 la insulina lenta. ¿Que c*** han hecho desde entonces?

  

Type 1 diabetes. With bearable and simple I mean that it is not a deadly or terminal disease, such as cancer, etc.And bearable, I mean that once you know guidelines and disease, the one that has complications for diabetes is because it has not worried.It is not like other diseases that have no remedy, see HIV, leukemia or the like.

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04/27/2015 11:32 a.m.
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mandril88 said:
type 1 diabetes. With bearable and simple I mean it is not a deadly or terminal disease, such as cancer, etc.And bearable, I mean that once you know guidelines and disease, the one that has complications for diabetes is because it has not worried.It is not like other diseases that have no remedy, see HIV, leukemia or similar.

Well, to me, that doctors always congratulate me for my we have and my controls in 15-20 years of evolution I am already having some compications.

Or dispense my cousin who also carrying a good control, in a few years I end up with a pacemaker and kidney transplant.

They recently did a study where complications depended a lot on the glycation index of each person's cells, we go from how the cells resist excess sugar or do not.Each person has it different.

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04/27/2015 noon

En 1922 descubrieron la insulina, en 1930 la insulina lenta. ¿Que c*** han hecho desde entonces?

  

sherpa41 said:

Well, to me, that doctors always congratulate me for my we have and my controls in 15-20 years of evolution I am already having some compications.

Or dispense my cousin who also carrying a good control, in a few years I end up with a pacemaker and kidney transplant.

They recently did a study where complications depended a lot on the glycation index of each person's cells, we go from how the cells resist excess sugar or they don't.

And what glyc's index do you have?
With respect to your cousin, what kind is it?How long did it have been with the disease?It may be diabetes, or maybe.We cannot blame everything to diabetes, if a kidney fails or similar things.Non -diabetic people also happen.Like there are cases that they have never taken care of and after 40 years, it is when it gives the diabetic foot and have to amputate.My question is if this person had taken care of a little, would it have been enough to not suffer amputation?It is clear that each person is a world, but I insist again, that it is a light disease within the chronicles, controlling hydrates or even diet without them or very very few, you would barely have to have complications, or not so radical and severeas in the previous examples.
What does not fit me, I insist, is that you have to assume the disease, point, they are lenjetas.It will not disappear, and the only thing that can happen is that if you do not accept it and take care of yourself, as you say, with congratulations from the doctors in 15-20 years, perhaps they are serious complications in just 5, for not accepting or assumingThat you have the disease.

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04/27/2015 12:14 p.m.
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mandril88 said:
and what index of glyc do you have?
With respect to your cousin, what kind is it?How long did it have been with the disease?It may be diabetes, or maybe.We cannot blame everything to diabetes, if a kidney fails or similar things.Non -diabetic people also happen.Like there are cases that they have never taken care of and after 40 years, it is when it gives the diabetic foot and have to amputate.My question is if this person had taken care of a little, would it have been enough to not suffer amputation?It is clear that each person is a world, but I insist again, that it is a light disease within the chronicles, controlling hydrates or even diet without them or very very few, you would barely have to have complications, or not so radical and severeas in the previous examples.
What does not fit me, I insist, is that you have to assume the disease, point, they are lenjetas.It will not disappear, and the only thing that can happen is that if you do not accept it and take care of yourself, as you say, with congratulations from the doctors in 15-20 years, perhaps they are serious complications in just 5, for not accepting or assumingthat you have the disease.

The cell glycation index is something they talked about in that scientific study, I have no idea of ​​mine.If you wanted to say since we have almost always been to 6.1, my maximum is 6.5.

My cousin with twenty years already had heart problems, it was diabetics since I not remember the concrete data.But talking to her, she told me that she had diabetic friends who took care of himself the same or worse than her, and they were super good and my cousin fucked.

And I have never understood "assume that you are diabetic."The important thing is to take care of and do everything possible to be as well as possible, not say to oneself that you are diabetic.

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04/27/2015 12:34 p.m.

En 1922 descubrieron la insulina, en 1930 la insulina lenta. ¿Que c*** han hecho desde entonces?

  

When I refer to glyc, I mean glycosylated hemoglobin, easier for me to say glyc, because in youth jargon, an emotion is a type of lifestyle hehe.
There are cases and cases, set for example in Belen Esteban.This girl has put on the ass of everything, she has not taken care of very well, and there you have it, and I think it leads a lifetime being diabetic.It is a disease that escapes all logic, but you have to accept it and it is already.For not taking care of or wanting to avoid the subject you will not be better.Moreover, if you do not take care of anything, I assure you that palms in a matter of little time, that we are always going to complications in the organs, and the CAD (diabetic ketoacidosis) is not taken into account, this entails that your blood becomesToxic, and kills you in a short time.And I repeat, I prefer this disease than cancer or similar.

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04/27/2015 12:43 p.m.
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Accepting the disease is accepted, but there are numerous studies of diabetes complications according to the years of evolution of the disease despite carrying good control. It is to throw some bibliography.Diabetic gastroparesis after 17 years of sport, diet and care a thousand.Mandril88?

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04/27/2015 1:39 p.m.
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Almost two years ago.We are talking about a disease, today chronicle, but that is still a simple disease if you take care of yourself.
I repeat, it is not that I am happy to be diabetic, but it is accepted, it is assumed, it is fought and it is already.I prefer this than a cancer.
Or leukemia, that despite the treatments (very degenerative), you know that there is little life.With our disease, taking care of you, it is not a disease that prevents you from making a fully normal life.Another thing is that they then arise complications due to others or other causes.

I also tell you, both you and Sherpa, you have been, and it is logical that things come out, but the issue is like focusing it.

I think that when you diagnose diabetes, your only concern in quite some time (years) is to keep glucose levels within normal.It doesn't prevent you from doing anything, it doesn't hurt.It is not something "serious."It is not a treatment like cancer, or that gives you a heart attack.It is something that may arise or may not arise.Like another disease.And being positive, throughout the disease they can get a cure.Or better treatments.And best of all, you are still alive to see it, not as in various terminal cases.

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04/27/2015 1:59 p.m.
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Mandril, what is a simple disease?It will be yours, for me it is not at all simple and I can assure you that I take care of myself and much, I have one of 5.6 but I can also assure you that it costs me a lot but that much maintain it and doing the same thing I do I have always had we have 11So don't say simple ... I have thrown my 3 months admitted to the hospital because there was no way to control me, do you think that in those 3 months has not prevented me from doing anything ???For example, carrying the final career exams because they didn't discharge me and have to spend another year at the university ... or when it was little not to be able to go to excursions because teachers did not want to take care?.
Ask the parents of any diabetic child if it is simple and does not prevent them from doing anything ...
Say that we try to lead a "normalized" but not simple life

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04/27/2015 6:46 p.m.

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"Mandril88" said is not like other diseases that have no remedy, see HIV, leukemia or similar.

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Sorry to correct you, HIV If you have remedy, it is considered as chronic disease, its remedy are called antiretrovirals, it consists of taking a pill a day, it has no consequence as long as you have your CD4 limits with a good count and your loadviral is undetectable.I think that in full 2015 you do not have knowledge and set shots without having a minimum of knowledge, HIV if you have a remedy.

On the other hand, leukemia also has a cure and today is called medulla transpart.
I think the comparisons are not well, since until the date of a leukemia if you can heal and of a type 1 diabetes.

So please Sherpa41 do not make statements without having knowledge.

Thank you

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04/27/2015 8:59 p.m.
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Salvador, who has not been Sherpa41, who has said that, has been mandril88

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04/27/2015 9:49 p.m.

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Gala - When I mean simple, it doesn't prevent you from doing anything.Call ichtus, infarction, or other diseases are complicated because it does not let you make a normal life.That prevents you from Diebetes and please reason your answer, because you tell me that you are in the Hospital X time to try to stabilize, it is not the same as you give you a heart attack to the 30?and have to be careful.If that is a complication that God comes and see it.Complication is pulmon cancer, or similar that even if you want you can do nothing.The only thing that has changed my life since debuting is that I tell rations and sulph me insulin.The rest do exactly and as exactly the same.

Salvador- treatment
At this time, there is no cure for HIV infection, but there are treatments available to handle symptoms and reduce how much it replicates) the virus itself.Treatment can also improve the quality and duration of life in those people who have already developed symptoms.

Antiretroviral therapy inhibits the replication of HIV virus in the body.A combination of antiretroviral drugs, called antiretroviral therapy (TAR) or high -activity antiretroviral therapy (slope) is very effective in reducing the amount of HIV in the bloodstream.This measuring effect by means of the viral load (how much free virus is in the blood).Preventing the virus from reproducing (replication) can improve T's counts and help the immune system recover from HIV infection.

People who are receiving antiretroviral therapy and with reduced HIV levels can also transmit the virus to others through sexual intercourse or sharing needles.Antiretroviral therapy can prolong and improve life if the HIV level remains reduced and the CD4 count remains high (above 200 cells/mm3).

HIV can become resistant to a combination of antiretroviral therapy.This occurs above all in patients who do not take their medications during the due time.With tests, it can be verified if an HIV strain is resistant to a certain drug.This information can help the doctor find the best combination of drugs and adjust it when it begins to fail.

When HIV becomes resistant to antiretroviral therapy, other drug combinations have to be used to try to inhibit resistant HIV strain.There is a variety of new drugs in the market for the treatment of pharmacor resistant HIV.

Treatment with antiretroviral therapy has complications, since each drug has its own side effects.Some of these common side effects are:

Back fat accumulation ("buffalo hump") and abdomen
Diarrhea
General feeling of indisposition (discomfort)
Headache
Nausea
Weakness
When used for a long time, these medications increase the risk of heart attack, perhaps by increasing cholesterol and glucose (sugar) levels in the blood.

People who receive antiretroviral therapy need to follow up a doctor to detect possible side effects.Blood exams to measure CD4 counts and HIV viral load will probably be done every three months.The objective is to achieve a CD4 count close to normal and reduce the amount of HIV virus in the blood to a level where it cannot be detected.

Medications can be prescribed to treat AIDS -related problems, such as anemia and low white blood cell count, as well as to prevent opportunistic infections.

Support groups
Join a support group where members share experiences and problems in common can often help reduce stressemotional to have a chronic disease.

Expectations (prognosis)
At this time, there is no cure for AIDS and is almost always deadly without treatment.In the United States, most patients survive many years after diagnosis, due to treatment with antiretroviral therapy.New medications are being developed.

When a person is infected with HIV, the virus begins to slowly destroy their immune system, but the speed with which this happens changes from one person to another.Treatment with antiretroviral therapy can help delay or stop the destruction of said immune system.

Once the immune system is seriously damaged, that person has AIDS and can contract infections and cancers that most healthy people would not have.Doctors have discovered that when CD4 cells fall below certain counts, specific types of infections and cancers can be contracted.

--- To tell me that he has remedy is to piss and not drop.The treatment is palliative, not like diabetes that is combative.

LEUKEMIA:
In a leukemia (blood cancer) the treatment depends, above all, on the form of leukemia suffered by the patient.

Chemotherapy

Chemotherapy is the treatment of choice in most cases of leukemia (blood cancer).The medications used are called cytostatic.Cytotoxins inhibit the growth and proliferation of cancer cells.The cytostatics mainly attack the cells that are divided since cancer cells are rapidly divided out of control, cytostatics act on them.However, there are also healthy cells that are quickly divided (for example, mucous cells).Chemotherapy, therefore, can temporarily affect other organs or healthy tissues of the body.

In general, cytotoxic agents are administered in monodysis or in combination.Chemotherapy is carried out at regular intervals (cycles).During treatment the doctor regularly performs a blood analytics.

Chemotherapy temporarily damages bone marrow, deteriorating the formation of new blood cells and immune system cells.As a result, anemia and immunodefression ensue, which increases the risk of hemorrhage and infection.

Other side effects of chemotherapy can be the following:

Nausea
Vomiting
General discomfort
Mucositic inflammation (mucositis)
Hair drop
Cytostatic can increase the risk of cancer (carcinogens).Doctors must first weigh the utility and risks of a treatment.In leukemia chemotherapy is often the only possibility of fighting the disease.

The intensity, shape and degree of chemotherapy depend, among other things, the type of leukemia suffered by the patient.

What is worse, chemio and radio with the consequences or have to count rations and click insulin?

I have put those two examples as it could put others, but I reiterate that complications or side effects are carried into comparison of many other chronic or terminal diseases.It is one thing to read what one wants to read and another to understand what I mean.Yes, it is a disease, chronic, but it is not at all terminal or limiting, you can make normal life, not like others that treatment can or cannot take effect, and as long as this lasts, your quality of life is brutally diminished.As long as I know, insulin does not prevent anything from nor does it have as severe and limiting side effects as chemio?

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04/27/2015 11:22 p.m.
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Mandril, not tenth that it is better an HIV or a leukemia, but a diabetes 1, simple has nothing, and you always have the threat of complications .., which is a very simple word for everything there may be.
Another thing is that trusting everything goes well, but also for that you have to be lucky.

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04/27/2015 11:46 p.m.

Hija de 35 años , diabética desde los 5. Glico: normalmente de 6 , pero 6,7 la última ( 6,2 marcaba el Free)
Fiasp: 4- 4- 3 Toujeo: 20

  

And if it appears in a child, I do not tell you what can distress life ...

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04/27/2015 11:49 p.m.

Hija de 35 años , diabética desde los 5. Glico: normalmente de 6 , pero 6,7 la última ( 6,2 marcaba el Free)
Fiasp: 4- 4- 3 Toujeo: 20

  

Mandril, is not so difficult to understand that for some people it is more bearable than for others.

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04/28/2015 12:14 a.m.

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Regina - I mean that it has no limitations.Not that lacks long -term complications.If you appear in a child, reason for more to accept it and take care of him, not to deny her
Laire - It is not difficult to understand that it is more bearable for some people than for another, but I do not understand the one who deny something will disappear.The article says that there are people who do not accept that they have the disease.You can be in a better humor or more pessimistic, but you know that you have a disease and try to fight it, but there are people who do not take care and do not take measures, which is what I do not understand.

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04/28/2015 12:33 a.m.
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@Salvador can you edit your message and change Sherpa41 by mandril88?I have not said any of that.Rather I am against.

And mandril88 in all diseases there are people who take care and people who do not.There are people with HIV who do not take the antiretrovirals and people with lung cancer that continues to smoke.And they are not usually told that they do not accept their illness.They simply tell them that nothing is taken care of and that they do it more.

I have always seen about "accepting their diabetes" as a way of having resigned diabetics, surrendered and not bothering asking for better treatments and priests.And what gives me anger is that I only see it in our illness, in no other I see that constant "accepts that you are diabetic" that for me is a "shut up and bend your head."Imagine that it would be said "accept that you are cider, or cancerous", everyone would bounce and find it terrible but in diabetes it is our daily bread.And people see it normal!

And the worst are the diabetics who say it or those who are happy with their illness, which is the height of resignation and conformism.

It is not at all incompatible, having an attitude of struggle to improve treatment and look for a cure for this serious degenerative disease, in which the medical community is swinging a lot (see my signature) and be very critical with them,With following the current treatment as well as possible to not have complications.

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04/28/2015 5:13 a.m.

En 1922 descubrieron la insulina, en 1930 la insulina lenta. ¿Que c*** han hecho desde entonces?

  

I disagree with you Sherpa41.People who have a disease and do not carefully take care of themselves, it is their problem, they will die and already this.The problem is when we have something combative, not palliative, is when it can be said that a disease is not accepted.The consequences can be very serious or lethal in case of not injecting insulin, while in other diseases, no matter how treatment you do, you will not be able to cure or counteract, just make it more bearable.And that is when it arises to have a bad time with the treatments to live the little or a lot of life that is left to the patient.

And the worst thing is not that diabetics say we are happy, we say that diabetes is better than another disease.Here in Spain, medicines and treatment are subsequently, which for example, hepatitis C, have discovered a new pharmaco, and see how health does not provide them with said element.

And with respect to the criticism with them, I must say that before the meters were worse, 18 years ago there was another type of insulin, now with the humalog there is a better control of hypoglycemia and allows to eat when the patient can or wants,something that was previously restricted to a schedule and a diet.In 1960, the first insulin bomb was development, and so far, the only thing they have done is to improve the design or benefits.

He bothers me that you say that the medical community was swing, when there are advances.Another thing is that they are the panacea.Recall that in 1918, the Moria of the flu, tell me today how many people die of that?

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