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Eating cheese is possible?

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If @jpr, I usually do it but I don't know if it's because you don't have pancreas or what Vwces still calculating everything a downturn or an inexplicable rush.The endocrine tell me that it is because in my case it is a very labil diabetes and that is why they leave me wider margins for glycemia (eg the HA1C of 8 or so and values ​​of 200 considered normal.)
Anyway I appreciate the advice that I will take into account and put into practice right now to see if I dare to take a little nougat that I fear more than a cloud ... and a glass of shampan too ...
I will tell you my experiences ...

Merry Christmas for everyone!!!

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12/24/2017 5:57 p.m.

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Hello, I didn't have many minutes ago, I explained my glycemia climbs, I don't know very well where, but well, I took measure from the sugar by clicking on me, and I am 272,
In the morning we'll see, in the end I will stop eating and will have to take me to the emergency room and maybe with a little luck they find why, it gives me the infression that my nature resists insulin, there are moments that happened and that it isWhat fate has for me
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Very good night
The time it is no longer if I go to bed or put on a horror movie

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01/24/2018 3:05 a.m.
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Hello, @"yagoba",
Those high blood glucose figures that you have permanently are due to lack of insulin, obviously.If you are permanently high, you are missing basal units (although probably also quickly).As long as you do not have the slowly adjusted insulin you will not be able to do anything with the rapid of the meals ...
You can't stop eating, you just have to adjust the insulin dose more.If you have the insulin you need, you can eat everything and be in good figures.
Do not be discouraged, it is the main thing.You will get it for sure

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01/24/2018 11:14 a.m.

30 años. Diabetes tipo 1 desde los 10
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jpr said:
hello, @"yagoba",
Those high blood glucose figures that you have permanently are due to lack of insulin, obviously.If you are permanently high, you are missing basal units (although probably also quickly).As long as you do not have the slowly adjusted insulin you will not be able to do anything with the rapid of the meals ...
You can't stop eating, you just have to adjust the insulin dose more.If you have the insulin you need, you can eat everything and be in good figures.
Do not be discouraged, it is the main thing.You are going to get it insurance

jpr said:
hello, @"yagoba",
Those high blood glucose figures that you have permanently are due to lack of insulin, obviously.If you are permanently high, you are missing basal units (although probably also quickly).As long as you do not have the slowly adjusted insulin you will not be able to do anything with the rapid of the meals ...
You can't stop eating, you just have to adjust the insulin dose more.If you have the insulin you need, you can eat everything and be in good figures.
Do not be discouraged, it is the main thing.You are going to get it insurance

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Hello Jorge, good morning:
I am waiting with unpacience to the sensors, as you indicated to me, it will help me a lot to control much better, sometimes it still costs me a bit to move through the forum, when the daughter comes home, which the course has finished in Lerida, and staysIn the offices of Tarragona
I will ask him some more questions.
Rwefere to insulin, at night I am injecting 20 units of Levemir, the slow one and in the morning I look as I am, 318, you will see how in the end it will be that the pancreas is exhausted, and what you say more insulin, or rejectionTo insulin.
I received a message from the company, communicating that the sensors are already traveling to my house
Greetings

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01/24/2018 1:09 p.m.
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Excuselp Jorge, the 20ths of Levemir are extras at 4 in the morning

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yagoba said:
apology Jorge, the 20 unleas

I think it is you who asks the cheese, right? Well, if you can eat cheese never mature, rather fresh or semi, you give you a binge, however we always say that each patient is a world, because to me heNutritionist does not put any cheese, maybe because I see that I am at the last question, Ejejej
I prefer to put some humorous notes, I will be used to get bad. Tenpo behind you already take a little medication help for strong anxiety and very close to a depressive picture, as soon as I receive the sensors I will ask you for help, thank you, thank you
Greetings and see you soon

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yagoba said:
yagoba said:

I think it is you who asks the cheese, right? Well, if you can eat cheese never mature, rather fresh or semi, you give you a binge, however we always say that each patient is a world, because to me heNutritionist does not put any cheese, maybe because I see that I am at the last question, Ejejej
I prefer to put some humorous notes, I will be used to get bad. Tenpo behind you already take a little medication help for strong anxiety and very close to a depressive picture, as soon as I receive the sensors I will ask you for help, thank you, thank you
Greetings and see you soon

Hi, @"Yagoba"
You can eat all cheeses, ripe and semi.If you eat it with carbohydrates, all you have to do is take into account the amount of cheese that commas and the fat that provides, because it will directly influence the speed of the absorption of carbohydrates.If you take a lot of cheese, the rest of carbohydrates will be absorbed much more slowly ...

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01/25/2018 11:22 a.m.

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LOOK there I present an image of food that lowers blood sugar and among them as you see is cheese.
More and more diabetics in Sweden choose to eat foods that do not raise blood sugar.Foods with less carbohydrates and a greater proportion of fats, LCHF foods.

They usually notice that from the first meal, their blood sugar level improves.The need for medications, especially insulin, is drastically reduced.Substantial weight loss generally follows.Finally, they generally feel much better, more alerts and many health markers improve.

More and more doctors (I am far from being the only one) advise similarly with excellent results.More and more people question the old advice rich in carbohydrates that elevates blood glucose, even in the media.
Since the fall of 2011, the National Board of Health and Welfare of Sweden has recommended a low carbohydrate diet with diabetes.Today there is a big change in the air and you don't have to wait.
Do you think the low carbohydrate diet for diabetics is a new invention?It's not.There is a long experience of positive effects.

In the past, before we were afraid of fat and before there were modern drugs to lower blood sugar, the dietary advice was different from today.At that time, the diet was all that was available to help diabetics.

Moderation note: Elizabeth Hughes developed type 1 diabetes in 1918. He was 11 years old and, in those days, that meant that he had a year of life left.A few more if I had a good doctor and the treatment was still well.The hospitals of the time had rooms in which diabetic children, already in a coma, waited for death.
You can read more at:
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Here are photos of a diabetic cookbook of 1917. You can read the entire free book online.Below is an image of pages 12-13, where there is a summary of what diabetics should and should not eat.

Let's start with what diabetics should not eat a hundred years ago.See image and the following image what could be eaten, 100 years ago, cardiovascular diseases were barely known, and the reason is that there were few specialists in them since they did not need, only following the food pyramid of Ances Keys andIn the last 80 years, the cases of obesity and diabetes have increased alarmingly, for eating as mark that murderous pyramid from 50 to 60 % carbohydrates, what kills is sugar and not fat, only that the murderer walkshappily for the scene

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01/26/2018 6:47 p.m.
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The title of the page is "strictly prohibited foods."Start with sugar and "Farinaceous foods and starches", in other words, flours and starches.The following examples:

Mold bread
Cookies
Rice
Pasta
Sweet drinks
etc
These absolutely prohibited foods are now part of the recommended diet for diabetes according to the Swedish plate model.These foods now occupy most of the diabetes plate.This, while we receive more and more diabetic, that need more and more drugs and get sick more and more.Just a coincidence. Isn't it shocking that since the drugs for diabetes and insulin increase are recommended foods that were previously prohibited?Who wins with it?We of course do not, do not have to be very ready to find out who they benefit, selling their products and getting more and more ill to diabetics.
In the allowed food list for diabetes and in the photograph of my previous comment:
Foods rich in nutrients: butter, olive oil, cheese, meat, fish, eggs ...

This sounds familiar.If we only add generous amounts of vegetables, this will be LCHF food.This is the advice that gave my diabetic patients in my work as a family doctor.

This is the advice that diabetics received a hundred years ago.Even in Sweden, with the diet rich in fat and petrén that included fatty pork cuts, butter and green cabbage.And when diabetics begin to eat this way, today the same thing happens in the past.Its blood sugar levels improve dramatically from day one.This makes sense, since they avoid eating what increases blood sugar.

Most overweight people will gradually lose a substantial amount of weight and can do it well with less medications.

So why not more people have the opportunity?
Food and pharmaceutical industries? Will the culprits be?Industries previously mentioned stop killing people and getting sick, and that they leave medical students in Spanish universities that study without being influenced by their slides, think that many of the advice and I have experienced it for myself for 10 long years, they canBeing wrong, but I leave that to each one, for me they are totally out of committed, which is to cure diabetes.
The current dietary tips rich in carbohydrates for diabetics are based on the ancient fear of naturally fatty foods.There are no quality studies that show that a diet rich in carbohydrates is beneficial.

Moderation note: We recommend reading about the evolution of diabetes in history.

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01/26/2018 7:25 p.m.
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Studies on low carbohydrates and fat -rich carbohydrates. Because there are diet rich in carbohydrates, it has no scientific evidence.
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There are many more but for now for you to inform you if you get in English give the Google translator to read it in Spanish.

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01/26/2018 7:36 p.m.
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Dear companions

The cheese must be 0% carbohydrates: it depends on the brands some have 0% others have 0.5%.
For example:
Mercadona Cheddar cheese has 0% hydrates.
Bonarea and Mercadona Masdam cheese have 0%.
Societé's Roquefort cheese has 0%.
The ball cheese has 0%.
Now, the effect of cheeses with hydrates on glucose is worse, in my opinion.
That is my experience: if it serves you perfect.
The best!That you try it as you are doing.

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01/28/2018 2:36 p.m.
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Do you know the book Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution?It is only available in English.I have known it through a group of lada patients and defends precisely the diet low in hydrates and high fat and protein.
I have an 80 -year -old uncle with diabetes for many years, almost certainly more than 40, and tells me how the recommended diet has changed.Before it was much more strict.He talks about eating basically green beans and veal fillet or grilled fish.Now with modern medicines and insulins it seems that we can afford other things, but it is an interesting reflection to think what we prefer: adjust our diet or take more drugs.

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01/31/2018 10:32 p.m.

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@"Vicky Bush" I have the book.He is an incredible man and I think that of the people who knows the most diabetes today.In addition to having more than 70 years with type 1 diabetes, and a diabetic patients are treated for a few years, so he has a lot of experience from the two sides of the disease.I have tried both options and adjusting the diet I have achieved much better results and without weighing or telling exact rations, with an approximate calculation I get.In my case I can not leave it because I am type 1 but I have reduced the fast doses.
It is not at all something as strict as your uncle does and it is not necessary to follow him as strictly as Dr Bernstein proposes, each adapts it to his specific case.He gives recommendations for everyone in the book but then each one better tolerates some food or others.You have to experience to see what you can and what is not.There are things that are inevitable that they upload you but others depend a little on the person.For example, legumes if I combine them well do not upload anything and there are other people to whom.
Like all types of vegetables and quantity, all kinds of meat and fish, eggs, some dairy and cheese, nuts, some fruit, some legume ... practically everything but things with flours and starches.I carry it well, I do not miss anything. And good for celebrations and meals I do exceptions, but those days control is much worse.I have been testing and everything I get eating without getting out of my target range (70 - 120) I include it, the rest I discard it.
Now there are already groups on Facebook in Spanish of Diabetics that follow low -hydrates diets having as reference to Dr Bernstein and are very good to inform and take ideas.In a group in which I am they have translated some chapters from the book to Spanish so that everyone can read it.
It also has other books more oriented to type 2 although I have not read any so I cannot comment.
It also has videos on YouTube, the bad that in English if you do not have a good level you miss a lot.

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02/01/2018 9:40 a.m.

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Dear Vicky:

I think that the more blood glucose, the more problems: it seems that your uncle has is sensible.

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02/04/2018 12:08 p.m.
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It is horrible to write in this forum, sometimes you do not write what you want for the established writing format (you cannot see what you write)

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I have been diabetic 22 years, I love good cheese, I am a cheese lover, I recently went to the endocrine, or cholesterol and 6.3 of hemoglobin, I exercise enough and I have had no problem with the cheese.

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02/04/2018 12:38 p.m.

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luvi said:
Ema777 said:
New scientific research, discovered how to treat diabetes..Inform you more here:
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The doctors of the International Council for Truth in Medicine have perfected these diabetes treatment methods, in 16 days, patient insulin doses were reduced by more than 57%
A few weeks later, 96% of patients were able to stop all drugs for diabetes and injections.
Blood sugar was normalized, insulin sensitivity increased and neuropathy pain disappeared.

A 19 -year -old man complained about thirst, polyuria, skin items, general discomfort and weight loss.The symptoms were present for approximately two weeks before diagnosis.On November 24, 2013, blood glucose automation showed 384 mg / dl.The previous medical history was not remarkable.Anamnesic data included consuming protein that increases the muscle for a month before the start of the symptoms.Laboratory evaluation on November 25, 2013 (Table 1) showed glucose elevations (218 mg / dl) and HBA1C (9.2%).The antibody tests for the decarboxylase of glutamic acid (GAD) showed positivity (52 U / ml, normal 0-10 U / ml range) and a slight positivity for the autoantibodies of the pancreatic islet cells (Ica).The C peptide level was not measured at this time.It was diagnosed with T1DM.He was given insulin replacement therapy (38 IU of insulin) and a standard conventional diet for diabetes with six meals containing 240 grams of carbohydrates per day.He followed this regime for 20 days.While in this regime, its glucose levels fluctuated between 68-267 mg / dl (Figure 1).

The carbohydrate that consumed before was less than 240 grams.Because his discomfort did not improve, the patient consulted the first author in December 2013. To determine the T1DM, a peptide C examination was carried out in the laboratory.The 0.6 ng / mL peptide level measured on January 8, 2014 indicated subnormal insulin secretion (Figure 2).The patient was suggested to change to the ketogenic-potolytic diet that began on December 21, 2013. From this moment, he was also taking 5,000 IU of vitamin D3 but nothing more as a supplement.Its diet consisted of meat, organ meat, fat and eggs.In their diet, red and fat meat dominated the lean meats.He was eating vegetables in insignificant quantities.His diet had a ketogenic ratio (fat: protein + carbohydrates) of at least 2: 1. No oil of vegetable origin or artificial sweeteners was allowed.The patient was under our control and reported daily food records and blood glucose levels.When changing to the paleolithic ketogenic diet, glucose levels returned to normal and major postprandial elevations were not observed.Therefore, insulin was suspended.The progressive decrease in insulin was done quickly: after the first paleolithic-zo-ketogenic meal, the glucose level was only 86 mg / dl, so there was no need for external insulin.Similar blood glucose levels were measured in subsequent meals of the diet.Therefore, the patient did not require insulin later.The home monitoring of glycemia was carried out in a preprandial and postprandial way and a monitoring once a day for consecutive meals was followed (that is, on consecutive days measures for breakfast, lunch and dinner were taken, respectively).The average level ofBlood glucose while in the standard diet for diabetes with insulin was 119 mg / dl, while 85 mg / dl in the paleolitic diet-zo-stogenic without insulin.The fluctuations in glucose levels decreased as indicated by a reduction in standard deviation values ​​of 47 mg / dl in the standard diabetes diet at 9 mg / dl in the paleolithic-zo-stogenic diet. (Figure 1).

The measurement of the C peptide was repeated in the tenth week of the diet (on March 6, 2014).This indicated an elevation to a value of 2.2 ng / ml (Figure 2).An exhaustive laboratory study carried out on March 14, 2014 indicated the normal laboratory parameters with the exception of total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol that were slightly high.The glucose level was 88 mg / dl, while HBA1C was 5.5% (for all laboratory values, see Table 1).) Urinary ketone was positive.On March 21, 2014, the ICA antibody test showed no changes in the slight positivity measured above and some elevation in GAD antibodies (86 U / ml).At the time of writing this case report, the patient is in the paleolithic ketogenic diet for 6.5 months and still shows low glucose levels.There were no side effects and he is completely free of symptoms.

The patient gave his written consent to write this case study.
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I will not get into the carbohydrate discussion yes or carbohydrates.It probably does not need all diabetics to make a diet with 55% carbohydrates, there I recognize that maybe many people are wrong.I do not know if the ideal amount is 45%, 40% or 30% or less (and nobody knows it yet), but what I am going to comment is now of guard court.

-The transitory remission of type 1 diabetes after receiving insulin treatment is called "honeymoon".And it happens in many cases.Obviously, if you give it a poor carbohydrate diet, the postprandial glucose elevation will be much lower.That is, it is for Flipar: the boy debuts in November 2013, and obviously begins insulin.In January 2014 (in full honeymoon), they reduce insulin, and ... nothing happens!What a surprise, right?And then they say that after 6.5 months it is still perfectly good.And they are surprised again.

-The use of the C peptide by an author who has no idea how to interpret it.Because it is very easy to keep the message of "peptide C indicates the secretion of insulin" and now.But it's not so simple.

- "to Ascertain T1DM Laboratory Examination of C-Pepptide was Carried Out."= "To ensure that diabetes is type 1, a determination of peptide C" was made. we started.A C peptide to make sure it is a type 1?Oh really?Won't you have much more debut value with classical symptomatology, at 19 and with positive autoimmunity?ASKED.

-He phrase says: "C-Pepptide Level of 0.6 ng/ml Measuraled on January 08, 2014 Subnormal indicated insulin secretion."Normal "is a lie.What blood glucose?With a glycemia of 300 or with a 70?Receiving exogenous insulin or without receiving exogenous insulin?Obviously, a person with all his unscathed pancreatic reserve and a glycemia of 70 will probably have a c peptide throwing bass, because his pancreas, 70 from blood glucose, does not have to release much insulin.If you are diabetic and have pancreatic reserve because you just debuted, and you get an exogenous insulin, and you are 70, obviously your pancreas will not have to release so much insulin and you will have a low C peptide.If you are at 300, your pancreas releases more insulin and you can find the highest C peptide.

That is, they measure the low C peptide when I was receiving exogenous insulin and say that it is 0.6 and therefore is low (also without telling us what blood glucose it had at that time).And then, in the middle of honeymoon and without receiving insulin, they measure it again and they say that as it is 2.2, it is high (again without telling us what glycemia had). and they conclude that it is the paleodieta that has improved insulin secretion :))

And they title the case as "a Case of DM1 successfully managed by the Paleodieta."

Really ... see to believe ... and on top of that they are published in a magazine, which you will already explain to me the scientific level.And then of course, someone looks for it, and with all that manipulated scientific talk may seem right and everything.

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02/27/2018 8:37 p.m.
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But what do not say what the half -life of a Paleolithic man was?

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02/27/2018 10:44 p.m.

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