Patch pumps

Hello everyone, I would like to ask you something: if I go to USA or Italy to buy the Omnipod or the Jewel Pump, could you ask for social security for some money for consumables, just like other users of normal bombs?(All this, of course, with the approval of my doctor).Is that if I have to put all the money from consumables it is impossible for me ...

Posss or coña, I don't think it is.
In Spain the bombs (and some continuous sensors) are owned by hospitals and the prices they get are usually lower than those theoretically selling the public, well, rather because what they do is negotiate a kind of renting and afterX Time The hospital stays in property with the device.That is, the pump is not purchased on the one hand and those consumables on the other ... but the companies offer a joint and indivisible price of the 2 things.

The hospital yields the pump to the end user, but the pump is not from the patient, it is ceded.

I believe that over time, patients must get the idea to contribute in % to the end of this treatment modality.For example, 10% (which is what is paid for chronic medications) would seem quite reasonable.
Another option would be the one you comment to finance the bombs.

Can it be achieved in Italy?You could give me more information.
Owash: I don't think the copayment seems good, so they are chronic patients, I mean a chronic pay, but an "occasional" patient?They discourage me every month more than 500 euros of the payroll, with that I pay my child's cateters, so that it has to pay them twice.At this step we will end like the Americans ...
Sometimes it gives me the feeling that you have mania to the bombs: mrgreen:.

The copayment that I mean is the same as we have already been doing for insulin and reactive strips (10% of its price).
In my opinion I think it is logical that if we pay for some things we also pay for others (insulin bombs, meters, consumables or any other health product).

On the other hand, it makes no sense that a retiree with a pension of 1800 euros to the Més does not contribute a single euro for any of its medications or health products.
It seems to me that a minimal contribution (for example 5%), would contribute to all that we could have better assistance.
Logically, the contribution to the rent of each retiree should be adjusted.

The copayment that I do not agree is for health care.
There is talk in various places to charge 1 euro for visiting the primary doctor, 3 euros for the specialist and 15-20 euros per visit to unjustified emergencies.
This is done almost throughout Europe and it seems that in the closer future that we will have here (Catalonia has already started any procedure to do so)

In any case, this is a very broad issue and with many nuances and things to take into account.

As for the bombs, I am neither fan nor the "hate", they simply seem to me another therapeutic option.
In children under 7-8, in general, they seem to me the only option to achieve acceptable control ... and if it depended on me, I would put the bombs obligatorily to all (always taking into account each case).

From that age it is where my doubts enter.
What is before the egg or the chicken ...:?
:?: Diabetes control improves by the pump or improvement because more glycemia are made, you learn more about food and it is much more motivated :?:
I am almost certain that with adequate support and training in many cases the control of diabetes would improve without the need for the pump.
In other cases, the bomb becomes essential ...
But as far as I know, there is no very clear differentiation in scientific studies.

Owash, do you pay that 10% for reactive strips?Because I don't .......: Shock:

I pay about 50 cents for each recipe, that is, for each box of strips.

Although in my usual pharmacy the strips of lifescan do not charge them but those of the rest of commercial brands.: Shock:
In the rest of the pharmacies they have always charged me.

I know it is boring, but it lills in case someone is interested:

Let's see:

Owash, if of every 50 euros of a box of strips you pay 50 cents, it is not 10% (which would be 5 euros), but 1%.
Anyway, we do not pay a cent in strips, consumables of the pump, lancetas, etc.The only thing we pay something symbolic (less than 3 euros about the 60s that the box costs) is in insulin.

The co -payment does not seem good to me.I think it should be reviewed to give free medicines to retirees.Only low income should have them for free.I do not see why I must pay the medicines to Booty or to the Duchess of Alba, just for being more than 65 years, while a stop without benefit does have to pay.

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Look that you give me slaughter huh?: Mrgreen: :))

It is legislated that all products and drugs supplied through hospitals are free and without any contribution by the patient.
Hence pumps, consumables, strips and others are free.

The case of reactive strips is special.
Normally all health products and medications have a reference price set (the same for all of Spain).
With the reactive strips this does not happen, in fact each autonomous community summons contest, every x time, for the supply of reactive strips ... and from there the fucks that every time pass on all sides are formed: increasingly low prices, all laboratories are not included, "Quality Committees" ...
This is partly interested in laboratories because they have monopoly options according to which sites and according to what methods, more ethical ...
It also interests CCAA because they can set the price that they want and with the conditions that are won (example Valencia, where there is a return of almost 20% by laboratories)

Well, that I roll up ... the fact is that for medications and health products regulated by reference prices, patient contribution is 40% or 10% (chronicles) ... as the strips are notRegulated, that fixed amount is provided that I can't find why it got ...

: Mrgreen :: Mrgreen:
Owash, you are a box of wisdom ...
We only pay for the lancetas, in fact, we buy them entirely in the pharmacy, here they do not give them and we do not give a "contribution", we buy them and period.

Thank you all for your answers.The truth is that I have been a bit "plof" because, for what you tell, it will be impossible for me to access the best treatment.For me the bomb was something fundamental since I was going to get rid of having to eat in hypoglycemia and before playing sports, or at least I wouldn't have to eat so much.I have a good hem (5.9), but given my tendency to gain weight I think that a comfortable apparatus like the patch pump was going to make my life much facilitate, in short ...
I want to answer who asked me if the Omnipod was sold in Italy: that I know in Italy they will only have the Jewel, the omnipod have it in the USA and it is the one that Nick Jonas uses :-)
I started with diabetes a year ago and I have fattened about 30 kilos because the first months could not play sports and then because with the Lantus I take advantage of everything.In addition, as I have commented, now if I want to go some lengths to the pool I have to eat a lot (proven with glucometer), and if I have a hypo, I also have to eat and give my tendency to gain weight, that is disastrous.My endo has only worried about my diabetes, which is going well, but everything else is fatal.I went to an expert in metabolic surgery (which is like the bariatric) and told me that I could operate and solve the problem.This man gave me a lot of confidence but the problem was that after operating I have to spend ten days drinking only a little juice, and they give me the hypos panic, does anyone know how I would have to do it?

Hummm I imagine that you will have ruled out other endocrine problems that produce weight gain ...

It has always seemed to me that metabolic surgery is to kill flies to guns, as long as there are no other reasons that force it.

Roa I don't just understand why you say that with the Lantus you take advantage of everything ... It is true that Lantus has a weight gain profile after 4 or 5 years, but not so many kilos.Being an anabolic hormone that also takes advantage of all food.

On the other hand, the current bombs allow a good disconnection ... Prado, Velia or any other bomb user can tell you much better than me.
I don't see why you can't use one of the current bombs.
Wasn't there a "amphibious" bomb?: Mrgreen: I think it was Medtronic that had a bomb that could be wet, right?

Regarding the operation, because the best advice is that if you do it in the end, it is to supervise the operation your endocrine so that the basal and the ultra -granted regulate you.

Hi Roa:
I am "bomber" for a few years now and if your doctor and you have it clear you can opt for a bomb even if it is not the omnipod, with a bomb it is easier to adjust the insulin well and can help you lose weight, but you have to be very clearOne thing, what fattens is not insulin, is food .... I used lantus and did not gain fat, but I had the dose very tight and exercised a lot ... now with the pump the same.
If you have hypoglycemia, it is often that you are left over and before exercising you always have to lower the dose to avoid the hypos ... make it with your endo and go by adjusting the dose little by little .....

I have no endocrine problems, only a tendency to gain weight.Before the DM1 he was doing intense sports and weighed between 70-72 (measuring 1´63), and after the DM1 the catastrophe has occurred.Having to eat before exercising prevents weight and use insulin fattening me a lot (they told me that this did the lantus ...).Before the DM1 I could control my weight but now I have put myself in 100 kg and that depresses me a lot.I know that I am not the only one since I have read many testimonies on the Internet of depressed people not by the DM1 but for everything they have fattened.For all that I had thought about the bomb.They had told me very badly about those that are given here (catheters, skin problems, etc.) and that is why I asked you about the patch bombs, but hey, if those cannot be to think about others, the case is to golosing some weight.What kind of pumps are there? What is that of the amphibious bomb? Can you put a link, please?If I also want the glucose meter, what pump can I use? Do you think it is a good idea to use the pump to not take more weight? ... As you can see, I am a sea of ​​doubts :-(

Here you have a lot of information about the bombs:

Animas is the manufacturer who states that his bombs are suitable for the pool.
In Spain, No Novalab markets it, although it is the least market share, by far.
Link in English:

Translated by Sangoogle:
Jump in the pool.Shower views.Or simply get wet!Animas and Onetouch ® ® * Ping ® Insulin pumps are waterproof at 12 feet for 24 hours.So, although "byboard", the pump can maintain pumping.

The Onetouch ping meters away should not be exposed to water.
Wet or dry
Your insulin bomb releases Animas 24 / 7. So if you are swimming in the ocean or cleaning after a long day, you can use your pump animas because it is water resistant up to 12 feet for 24 hours!The Animas pump is designed to maintain pumping even in the case of exposure to unexpected water.
Swimming
To use your Animas insulin pump while nothing, simply hold it to bath clothes or put it in a small sport designed to hold the pump.If you want to keep the pump connected in the shower or bathtub, it can be placed on the soap plate or leave it at the bottom of the bathtub.Anything that works for you!

Be sure to remove the pump, infusion equipment and tubes before using hot tubs, jacuzzis or saunas.Exposure to extreme temperatures can affect the quality of insulin within the pump and infusion equipment.

If you wish, you can disconnect the pump and most infusion equipment for a maximum of an hour.Only your health professional from the recommendations when disconnecting the pump.And do not forget to check your blood glucose levels before and after disconnecting during any period of time.

Note: Do not use an animas pump insulin when diving or water depths more than 12 feet

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Sauna, it's not going to be.

THANK YOU!.

Roa what do you eat before exercising?because you can eat or drink things that only give you carbohydrates (which is what interests you) and not fat, or the least possible ... I have been with Lantus for about 4-5 years and I can assure you that I am better nowThat when I started with Lantus.
As you have told you, you see the doses, look for food or drinks that help you maintain the levels, measures the intensity of exercise and time, and you will see how your body works.
I am sorry, but this of the operations to lose weight I do not see it clear.I have acquaintances who have accessed them and over time they have returned almost to how they were before the operation.Especially investigating whether your weight gain is due to insulin or what.
I am one of those who think that you once enter the operating room ... you no longer leave the same ... and that it is recorded that with these letters I do not want to offend anyone.Each one is free to do what he creates better for his body.But it is inevitable not to express what I think.
Courage roa !!

PS: I apologize again if I have offended someone.It wasn't my intention.;)

Nita, I have seen your blog and you don't get the idea of ​​the envy you give me: you are what I would like to be, a super athlete!Before the DM1 I ran 45 minutes four days a week and two others were going to make machines.I had a slight overweight (70-72kg measuring 1´63), but it kept me.Then when I debuted I had to be a couple of months without moving, because of the ketones, and then they told me that before doing sports I had to eat so as not to have hypoglycemia, so what on the one hand burned on the otherThus I started to gain weight.What I do is going to a swimming class that lasts 45 minutes but is very soft and what I take before is a sandwich and one or two orange juices of the little ones.I measure me at the end and I am just.It bothers me a lot having to exercise with a full stomach and, above, always with the fear of hypos and that's why I started thinking about the bomb.Soon I will go to endo and tell him all this, to see how she sees it.Regarding operations, it is clear that whoever thinks about operating is because he is desperate.I wish I was in your situation, but I am not and it has been the end of the one that has told me that it is metabolically impossible for me to have a normal weight doing diet, he told me that he would most weigh 85 kg, and that withmuch effort (now weight 100).View things from this point of view, as soon as I have money, I will surely work because you don't know the happiness that my mobility and agility would give me.Anyway, thank you very much for your spirits and if you want my msn, I would have a private mail, I would love to meet you.

Roa why don't you tell us what guideline you have?How many insulin units do you put?Do you modify the guideline the days you exercise ??????Maybe we can help you, if you don't modify insulin when you are going to do sports you will always have to eat so as not to have a hypo.It is not so difficult to adjust according to your needs, it is a matter of testing.But we are many who do sports and without problems.

Thanks for answering.Inside I go to the endo and I plan to sew questions.: D

Hello, I add to the comments of Fungible Lus, I am from Madrid and at least in my area they also give me all free, both of the bomb and of the strips and even the lancets (this since only one year ago, before I had themWhat to buy)

I am neither in favor of the copagos or anything that seems to him, I agree with what Alea commented.

Greetings: d